Connecting to the Soul of Your Business with Emily Wilcox

Kathryn Thompson  00:03

Hey, hey, I am super stoked to have Emily on the show today I know we're going to have a juicy talk about intuition, intuition in business. So without further ado, I'm just going to turn it right over to you, Emily so that you can let our listeners know who you are and what you do.

00:18

Awesome. Thank you, Catherine. I'm so happy to be here. And hello to everyone listening. My name is Emily Wilcox. I'm a multi seven-figure entrepreneur, I've built two different seven figure businesses in the very masculine energy. So not a lot of intuition. A lot of goal setting and logic and smart goals and you know, specific, measurable, all that kind of stuff, and was sort of living a parallel life of meditation and inner work and all of that. And when I really learned how to marry the two and gave myself permission to not run my business, the way that you're supposed to. And what it led me to was really delegating my e-commerce business and my agency business to my teams. And now I spend most of my time coaching women entrepreneurs on business coaching, energetics, and money mindset, and really the intuitional and kind of getting in touch with your own soul and the soul of your business to make a lot of money.

Kathryn Thompson  01:27

I love it. I love it. And I love that you built those two businesses basically in a matte, very masculine way. I know a lot of our listeners are going to resonate with this. I think it's very common for a lot of my listener's stories to be like, I hustled I did all the things I'm really good at strategy and the to dues and getting stuff done. But that soul piece is huge. And so when did you know when those businesses that like you said were living a parallel life? Yeah. Did you already did you like to talk us through like, what happened internally, where you kind of got the Inkling like, Okay, wait a minute, I want to combine this, or this isn't the way that I want to actually run my business and ultimately, my life?

02:11

Yeah. So I went to a Business Women's Conference, this was an in person event. So pre pandemic, and there was a woman there who gave a talk on really like kind of manifestation and that sort of thing. And I almost didn't attend that breakout, because I felt like I actually knew a lot about that, because of my spiritual practice, and my meditation and that sort of thing. But, um, I was really drawn to her. And so she offered like a free 20 minute session to everyone who had attended. And I did that. And basically, she was using her intuitive gifts to tap into what was going on with me. And she said, You know, I do feel like there's an imbalance, and you've got too much masculine energy, and that there's a part of you that desperately wants to let go of control. But you don't know how. And I just started crying because someone put words to something that I had felt that I don't even think it was in my conscious mind. Yeah. And so I, I immediately hired her thinking, perfect, you know, this will be the key to making more money like this will help me uplevel my business. And I was very surprised that the coaching immediately went into inner child work. And I find myself writing a list of resentments for my dad, and I'm like, What am I doing? Yeah. But I quickly started seeing that everything was changing as I was going back and really re-parenting my inner child, and how many of the things that I was doing in the adult life that I thought was from a place of sovereignty, but really, were just playing out these old patterns around lack and scarcity and needing to earn love and approval and not being good enough as I was and needing to be right, and all this stuff. Yeah. And so, um, that was, that was my first real aha moment that as I did that inner work, it really changed how I was showing up in my business and I kind of realized, I'm the common denominator here. And so what if the upper limit and the ceiling on my business is actually me and how I think and feel about myself and money and what's available to me?

Kathryn Thompson  04:34

Yeah. And you had achieved great success prior to doing all this work. I think this is another sort of maybe misconception that I know a lot of people in the industry have is like, I can't achieve success until I've done this deep inner work or mindset work or whatever. And that just really isn't the truth. It's just that it might not it's just not aligned with your soul, and there's always gonna feel like, did you feel like something was missing? I guess, or there was, like you said that it was finally someone put words to something that you'd been feeling. But you wasn't necessarily in your conscious mind.

05:10

Yeah, so I, I really was operating under the belief that eventually my business would get to a certain level where then I would experience more freedom. And so I didn't understand that there really is no such thing as later. And so if we continue to operate under this paradigm, where it's always delayed gratification, and it's always let me be a martyr now, or let me suffer now, and later, there's going to be a payoff later will never come. And I would say at that time that I hired that coach, um, you know, I probably had to both businesses were maybe doing around 600,000 a year, so combined, maybe 1.2 million. But the other thing I want to say about that, when you're saying I'd achieved this great success, spoiler alert, 1.2 million doesn't feel like you think it's going to feel like it sounds like this very abundant number, and like, you're just going to be rolling in dough. But the truth is, and some of it depends on your business model. But in E commerce, you've got cost of goods, and you're buying, you're buying the actual inventory, and you're paying to advertise it. And at our agency, we had people on the payroll and everything else. And so, you know, we were living a good life in Southern California, where, you know, we were in a $1.7 million house or something like that, but it didn't feel like there was tons of surplus. And so I do think that when we are operating in a very masculine paradigm, we put a relatively low ceiling on our success. And so for some of you listening, seven figures might feel like the Holy Grail. But I promise you, when you get there, you're going to feel like I'm just getting started, there's so much more available for me. But I couldn't do it the way that I was, because I didn't have more time to give. I didn't want to create more of a job that felt like more stress. And so I really had to learn how to do it a different way before universe could say, Yeah, okay, now more money gets to flow.

Kathryn Thompson  07:19

Yeah, and I love that you talk about that, you know, it was like, you know, you get to the mill, you make a million dollars, let's just say in that getting there doesn't necessarily feel like this overflow, or abundance, or even freedom for that matter, right? Because when I owe my brick and mortar, that was the same thing, you know, the business model was, the more we sold, the more we had to work, whether that was me, or staff or whatever, right. And we were a consumer product as well. So it was a product-based business where you have to buy inventory and all the things. So

07:53

I was gonna say the more you have to reinvest, because if you're selling more, that means you've got to buy more inventory.

Kathryn Thompson  07:59

Totally, totally. And I think that, you know, I see this a lot in the online like coaching or consulting space, where you know, that seven figures or eight figures is like the goal or multiple, six figures, right. And I love that you're saying, you know, in that very masculine driven way, that you'll likely get to that point, and probably won't feel the freedom or the abundance, operating in that capacity. So you made a shift in your business where you started to bring in the intuition, and you started bringing in that? How did that start? And evolve?

08:34

Yeah, I mean, I think it was kind of piece by piece, like I just was changing. And so I naturally was showing up differently in the business. And so and this is something that I help a lot of women entrepreneurs do as they're sort of transitioning more into CEO mode, is, you know, detaching our own feelings of worthiness from the sale. You know, that's something that I was doing, and that a lot of my clients do, and so and so you're either pricing in a way that isn't easy, yes, aka way under pricing, because God forbid anyone say no, and then you're gonna feel terrible. Or, you know, just attaching all of your own identity and how successful you think you are in the world to what your business is doing. Right. So there's an opportunity to heal some of that and have a more healthy relationship with the business. And Another thing that helps us get out of the masculine energy is really looking at the way that we're utilizing team. So often, I see women CEOs hire people, because then they think they're going to feel supported. And then they over time start to feel resentful and burnt out because they're giving their team luxuries that they're not giving themselves so the team gets to be done at a certain time of day, but then the CEO or the owner is the one who's still on call all hours of the day and night. And they're giving the team tasks to do, but they're holding on to the decision-making and all of the weight of the responsibility and the consequence of the outcome of that decision. And that's heavy. And that's not scalable. And by the way, it's not feminine energy. Because when you're still holding on to all of that you're still in your masculine, you're just outsourcing a little bit of the work. And just staying in an overthinking and an overdoing and another capacity instead of actually being in some feminine energy receiving and trusting and support.

Kathryn Thompson  10:42

Yeah. And that's, you know, I see that so much with my clients. And like you said, so many CEOs, right, that think they're getting the support and handing it over. And, and yet, they're still holding on to so much of the responsibility. And I know you touched on control, right, that need for control. And that being a big part of the mask, and where does that control come from? Like, is there patterns from childhood or trauma that perpetuates the need to control everything?

11:12

Yeah, I mean, for me, there definitely was and I would argue for most people, because essentially, when when we want to be in control, what do we really want, we want safety, we want predictability. And so we feel like, well, if we can control it, then then the outcome is controlled as well, right? So we're not going to be caught off guard, there's not going to be a bad surprise. And we're going to feel more safe. But it comes at such a cost. And even when we're in control, there's still, you know, just by nature of this human experience, there are so many variables that we can't control that we just ended up like with a death grip on a few little things, and not really feeling all that safe. And so when we can go a layer deeper, and say, okay, instead of the control, what do I really need? Oh, I really need safety. I'm really not feeling that safe. Hey, why don't I feel safe? Who, I guess I'm just afraid that like the rug is gonna get pulled out from under me that something bad's gonna happen. So the underlying energetic signature is actually like abandonment. It's like something totally changes, something we thought was going to be there for us one day is gone the next? Well, the medicine for an abandonment wound and for not feeling safe, is actually really different than I'm just going to control everything in my life. And that'll make this perfect. Yeah.

Kathryn Thompson  12:45

What is that medicine for an abandonment wound, then?

12:49

Yeah, so in, what I see is, it sort of depends, I work with a lot of women with money. And so usually, the way the abandonment wound plays out with money is that you spend it sort of recklessly, because if you think it's going to leave you anyway. You'd rather just spend it and offload it and have it gone. And so typically, the way this will look is that like, there'll be a big amount of money in but then it's a big amount of money out, there's usually a lot of debt, there's a feeling of some irresponsibility, or just some high highs and low lows with money. And so it's creating safety in our relationship with money. Can we log into our bank account three times a week, and just look and see the money there. Notice if you feel a discomfort, and just sit with it, take some breaths connected with your heartbeat, or your feet on the ground? Do you have a roof over your head? Like are your tangible safety, things taken care of? Okay, so then can we stretch our capacity to actually be in relationship with the money before it's spent? So I think the medicine actually would be pretty similar if perhaps something else was happening in the business is it's like, returning into the body creating some feelings of safety. And then acting from more of a place of sovereignty, because when we make decisions from a wound in place of like, oh God, it could all combust tomorrow. Yeah. That's a really different headspace for making decisions. Then from breathing, creating a sense of safety inside of self, and then saying, Okay, what do I actually desire? What actually feels like it would be in the highest good of, of me and of all,

Kathryn Thompson  14:54

yeah, and would you say that consistency that need for consistency, one of the things I hear Often, whether that's like need, feeling the need to be consistent and like, show up on social all the time and be there and all the things. But I also hear it a lot with money too is like, I want to create this like consistency every month where I'm earning the exact same every single month. And for a lot of business owners that I know, and consultants and coaches alike, that's not necessarily what their experience is, it's like, they might have a 30k month, and the next it might be 25. And the next step might be 45. But it's like this need for that safe, consistent income. And I know a lot of my clients, they came from corporate, so they had that paycheck every month that they could rely on or every two weeks, and then they get entrepreneurship and it's like this meltdown of like, Oh, God, I need I need that security blanket of money coming in every single month. What would you say around kids like that need for consistency? of money?

15:57

Yeah, so my my sense of things is that's not trusting money. Yeah. So again, getting into relationship with money in a fun little exercise, just to sort of personify money as a romantic partner, right, and then look at the way that we're treating it. And so for some of us, that may be how we are in a relationship with our spouse, where it's like, you need to be home at five o'clock every day, or else. But for many of us, it's like, oh, I wouldn't treat my spouse that way. But that's exactly how I'm treating money is like, if you don't come at the exact same time in the exact same amount, then I'm afraid you're abandoning me, I just think that you've gone off and left me or you're cheating on me. And it's like, whoa, that's not really how we want to feel. Okay, so how do you want to feel with money? Can we start to trust in the flow of it, and trust in the circulation. And I think the other piece to this whole consistent months is there's an energetic match for that. And the energetic match for that is, I need to try to recreate this thing I need, I did it once. And I need to try and do the exact same thing again, and I need to crack the code, and I need to figure out the recipe and the formula. Well, that's really different than saying, I did 20k Last month, I wonder what it would feel like to double what would it feel like to have a 40k month? What would the 40k month version of me do? How would she show up? And we can put the same amount of energy that we put into trying to recapture lightning in a bottle and recreate the exact same circumstances that brought in the first 20k. We can do that. Or we can put that same energy toward growing. Yeah. Because going from 20 to 30 to 60 to 80. That's not consistent. But it sounds a hell of a lot better to me. Then consistent 20k months. Yeah.

Kathryn Thompson  18:03

And it's so much more expensive, right? And thinking like looking in the past or looking back on the last month and going I need to recreate this exactly the same way. Yeah. When nothing really in life is recreated over and over and over and over again, right? There's Yeah, well, there's no prescription that somebody's hacked some code of how to live life in the most abundant way. It's like, how do you as an individual, how can you step into that higher version of yourself every single day? How can you be the highest expression of who you are? Every single day?

18:42

modally? Yeah, I mean, could you imagine going to a relationship coach and being like, I just really want to recapture the magic, that first kiss with my husband. Yeah, they're like, okay, but we know you've been married 10 years. So no, but that first kiss, it was so electric. And it was like, you know, I could feel every cell of my body in my lips. Yeah, it was like, yeah. And that was so cool. And I'm so glad you had that experience. And we're probably not going to recreate that. Like, can we try to create something new in this new version of you?

Kathryn Thompson  19:19

Yeah, it's so true. And it's funny when we put the analogy and like relationship with our spouse, right is like how clear it is, to how we're treating money or even business. Oftentimes, my clients will put so much pressure on their business to perform to attract clients to make sales. And it's like to imagine if you treated your husband that way, or your best friend for that matter, they probably not going to want to perform for you. Yeah. So rigid. So how does intuition play a factor in this energy?

19:56

Yeah, so when I started my coaching business I really had the strong intention of letting my higher self lead the way. And that's actually how the business was born. I was the prayer I had been saying was speak and I will listen lead, and I will follow. I had set the intention 2021 was going to be so soul LED. And the first instruction I got was take six weeks away from your business. Oh, my God. And I was like, No, not that. I mean, I know I said, I would listen, but I didn't think that was gonna be asked of me. And so I really had to heal those parts of my identity that still were just so attached to the doing. And so driven by, you know, the identity of like, checking things off the to do list and being in motion and being a mover and a shaker and all of that. And so out of that was born this coaching business. And so it felt like, Okay, well, if we, if we did it right from the get-go, let's not stop now. Right. And so I really wait for, you know, the intuitive hit. I'm a manifesting generator with sacral authority in human design. And so I really let my sacral lead the way. And, you know, it's, it's taken time to really be in relationship with my body and really understand how she's feeling and what she has energy for. But I just ask myself, a lot, like, you know, do I want to launch something right now? And if I get the Yes, okay. Hmm. Is it a mastermind? Ah, is it a group program? Is it a one-on-one? Uh-huh. Is it in person? Uh, huh. Oh, okay. Like, this feels fun. Let me launch a luxury VIP day. And so it's just like feeling into what feels playful, what feels fun, what do I feel like I have energy available for and then taking, taking action and accordance with that.

Kathryn Thompson  22:08

I love that. And you just gave me some insight for myself. I'm also a manifesting generator with sacral. And oftentimes is, is learning one your body right is learning how to respond. Because most of us in the doing and the logical and the analytical, we've been stuck so much in our brains that we forgot what it was like to feel in our body and what we wanted to, like respond to. And I love that you got the nudge to take six weeks off, because I will recommend that to clients. And they look at me like I'm crazy. They're like, No, I can't take a break. What did you do for those six weeks?

22:43

It was honestly painful a lot of the time. But I one of the first things during that time was then the intuitional hit to reorganize my whole kitchen pantry. I was like, okay, yeah. So I went and got the little clear bins and reorganized everything. And you know, and it sounds so silly. But also, if I'm being honest, like, when I thought about the next version of me, like the wealthier version, like she had an organized kitchen, like, at a level that I didn't have. And so, it these things, they're not silly, they actually are a gift, you know, then it's like, every time you open your kitchen cupboards, it's a physical, tangible reminder that like there's a new version of you, you know? So, yeah, so I did that. And there was some stuff that came through for the business, which I had always thought I thought, okay, with the six weeks, this is like a birth, like I can tell something wants to come through. And it needs time, and it needs space. And I don't know what it is. But I really thought that it was for our agency. Yeah. Little did I know that what was being birthed was my coaching business. But what also came through were the needed pieces to get the agency more delegated. And so I kind of channeled the whole spreadsheet financial model, and, like ran it by our CFO, and they were like, yep, this works. This totally makes sense. And we promoted someone into an operations manager role. So there were some work related things that happen but I was out of slack. I was giving myself space and really leaning into the growth edge of like Netflix and chill or reading a book or doing more meditating or walking because for me, that's the hard part like the easy part is working in the to do list. The hard part is like can I just be in a allow that to be enough.

Kathryn Thompson  25:01

Yeah, it's so interesting because I've been in a season of like, discernment and observing, like, I've got my group coaching program my one-to-one stuff. And I've just probably since March, I've just been sort of like in this like observing of like, what I want. It's funny, because in meditation, that was the one thing that came through for me was clean your house, like, get purge, get rid of stuff, like books and clothes. And I was like, what? Like, no, you're supposed to give me hits of inspiration on my business. But you're, it's so true that the easy part is the doing especially like the high achievers ambitious entrepreneurs, right. It's like, I'm really good at having a to do list and getting it done. But you want me to sit and chill, like, okay, and then the things that come through is like a clean house. I'm like, How does this have anything to do with my business, but it totally does, right? Because that higher version of yourself, maybe it's that 100k months or 60k months or even 10k months is like, what they want to go into their kitchen and have an organized kitchen where they want to be able to walk through their house and have it decluttered, spaciousness stuff that's not being used anymore, recycled or given away, or whatever. And it's so hard for the high achiever to not constantly be thinking about business and what they can do in their business. And also giving yourself the space to come up with the things right like you know, to reorganize your agency so that you have the space to then birth, the coaching business, we don't stop long enough to actually listen and to hear what's what's coming through. So I love that I love that. Any other intuitive tips you can give people to, like, lean into, or sink into or listen, so that they can make be the self leader in their business and trust what's coming through and know that some of the slow moments might be actually the most brilliant moments to birth something amazing.

27:02

Yeah. So I always kind of treated God's Spirit source intuition as sort of like an ace up my sleeve. And so it was like, I got most of this god, I'm doing my part, I've got this figured out. But when I really need you, when I'm really in a pinch, then I'll ask you for help. And why? It's like, Why was I saving God for like, these big situations that I couldn't figure out. And so I really see my relationship with my sacral as following the intuition, which really is my higher self, and it's the part of me that's connected with source. But I really would invite everyone listening to bring your intuition, bring your relationship to your higher self, into the mundane. Because if you're just waiting to use your intuition, on these huge decisions that feel like they're going to change the course of your life or the course of your career. I'm telling you, you're gonna have a discernment problem. Because you're gonna be like, is this the voice of fear? Or is this intuition? Is this my higher self? Or am I just freaking out right now? Like, what's happening? So can you start using your intuition? In your scheduling? Like, what's the best day in time for this? Hmm? Like, on simple, inconsequential things, what you intuitively feel like eating, what type of exercise, I love, having gotten my schedule, I can't tell you how many times a week, there's something that serendipitously got moved or shifted, and it's not what I would have done. But at this point, I just surrender to it. And I'm always like, Okay, well, we'll see why this happens. And then invariably, there's always a reason where it's like, oh, I didn't realize that I had the wrong time in my calendar to drop my daughter off at camp. And if that appointment hadn't been moved, I would have been screwed. Thank you, God. So when we can stop treating God like this last resort, or our intuition, like this last resort, and actually weave it into all the pieces of our life, it really becomes a relationship. And then when the big decisions come, you'll have so much more evidence banked to say, okay, when I listen to this voice, when I listen to this inner knowing, even when it seems silly, or crazy or illogical, it always works. So now I'm not just going to trust it in the little things, but I'm going to trust it. For this big thing to,

Kathryn Thompson  30:01

yeah, I love that starting with that bite size, we're very simple inconsequential, like decisions, right? So that, whether it be food or a schedule or whatnot, because that's a big question I often get asked is like, how do I know if, if it's fear are actually my intuition? Like, how do I know? And how do I make the decision, but it takes the trust in yourself to make that decision. I know, you're talking about sacral decision makers. And I know, we hadn't planned to go down the Human Design sort of rabbit hole, but there are other human design types, right. So emotional spleen EQ, right, which will all have different ways of making decisions. I just want to share that with our listeners so that they're not like, Okay, I just have to trust my sacral. But everybody has their own sort of decision making.

30:51

Yeah, your intuition just speaks to you a little differently based on how you're designed. And it'll feel a little different in your body. But the important thing is that you get into relationship with you. And so you know, what it feels like, even for me, and Catherine, I can't say what Catherine sacral response feels like? Totally. And she probably can't really say it either. Like, I try to put words to it. But the words don't even really do it justice. It's just unknowing. Yeah. And the reason I know is that I've spent enough time listening and asking and taking action in building a bank of evidence. And so even if you don't know what your human design is, it doesn't matter. It's just getting in a relationship with your body and start to learn what the voice of intuition sounds like and feels like for you.

Kathryn Thompson  31:49

Yeah, it's so true that it's not it's hard to put into words or describe and, yeah, it's just that deep knowing it's like, you just know in the moment, or you get that, like intuitive. Everybody's different. Their intuition speaks differently to them. But it's like you just have that innate, knowing that this is what you're supposed to do. Or you'll get a ridiculous thing. Like, go clean your house, you're like, what, okay, I'm listening. I'm gonna go do it. But it's not really what I want to be doing. But I'm gonna do it. Because I know, this is the nudge that I need to create space and a lot of ways. Yeah. Love it.

32:25

I totally. And I think too, like, the other tip that I could give is, you know, God, our angel team or spirits, our ancestors, like we have so much non physical support available to us. And so not only bringing your intuition into the mundane, but also, don't be afraid to ask for a sign. And then don't be afraid to ask for assignee or sign. So like, you know, if you're, if you're struggling and you're like, I think this is my intuition, but I'm scared. And I don't know if I want to move on this. Like, ask like, show me a sign show me a ladybug, or, you know, I don't even always get that specific. But I'm just like, show me a sign. And I know that I will know the sign when I see it. Yeah. And it's like, can we just be in this playful relationship? And, you know, I tell my clients sometimes to like, you can say, like, listen, God, I'm sorry, you probably sent me like 50 signs, but like, I'm gonna need a really big one like with some flashing lights around it like a Vegas style billboard. So please send it and I promise when I see it. I will listen.

Kathryn Thompson  33:37

Yeah, I love that. I love that. Ladybugs are assigned to mine. So they find that also very interesting lady

33:46

was a sign for you that I said Ladybug because it's not for me.

Kathryn Thompson  33:49

Yeah, it is totally assigned for me. And I'll see them in the most random places like on the kitchen tap, or like we were in Mexico one year, and it was like crawling across my friend's glasses. And like, I've never seen a ladybug in Mexico. But there was this like Ladybug crawling across her classes. I'm like, okay, I get it. And I'll stop. And I'm like, I get it. So this is, and that's a very obvious sign for me. I have a song to that. Usually, I'll come on that's like a totally random and rare song. And I'll I'll hear it on the radio or on social or whatever. So yeah, you can ask for the signs and you get to pick your own and it can be completely, like random so that it's like, you know, is this flashing sign of like, okay, I get it. I'm okay, I'm on the right path. For sure. I know, we've covered a lot. I want to ask you one more question about business and intuition, because I know that traditionally, businesses, corporate life is built very much on a masculine foundation and structure. And we're starting to see intuition come more and more into business. How do you see that changing even more going into the future?

34:56

What I would love to see is a more open conversation around it. Because if you look at most businesses, even where they may be seen masculine energy, I would argue that much of the genius in those businesses came through a sort of feminine energy receiving just the idea coming in, or the illogical thing that they decide to do that pans out. And you see this all the time, and Apple and so many of these different, you know, founders stories. But when we talk about those businesses, we were not using the language of feminine energy or divine inspiration or following an intuition. Um, maybe we would say gut feeling, sometimes that will be a part of the discussion. And so I think, particularly for women in business, we get second guessed more, and then we feel more of a pressure to back up our decision making with masculine energy types of things, so that we want to have the logic or we want to have the data so that we can really support why we're doing this. And I would just love to see a more open conversation around this feels right in my body. And I'm gonna honor that, and I trust it. Because that really is the truth. Yeah, often, but we, we don't say it. And so instead, we say, well, I did the market research, or I have a feeling or this is what my audience wants, or I pulled my clients. And it's like, maybe all of that's true. But it's all just there to back up your inner knowing intuition, and just giving ourselves permission to call a spade a spade.

Kathryn Thompson  37:01

Yeah, I love that. And I equally want to see going forward more of that, in conversation in business, when we opened our brick and mortar, it was opening a wine business. So we were producing and selling wine. And I had no knowledge of the wine space, other than I enjoyed drinking it. But before that, I had no idea how to make wine produce wine. And I have a coach who once said to me, Well, how did you know what to do? And I was like, I just, I don't know, I just did things. I just did it right. And it was totally intuition led, like, how I ran it, how I operated it, all of it. I was totally in my intuition. And so I would love to see more people. Yeah, talk about it, bring it into business, leadership, business, relationships, all of it. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's been such a pleasure connecting with you and chatting with you. And I know our listeners are gonna love this. Is there anything else you'd love to share? Before we wrap up?

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You know, to everyone listening, I think this is such a beautiful into like, invitation into dreaming into this next level version of you, right? So I know the kinds of women that listen to this podcast, and there are women that have big dreams. Yep. And just let yourself dream, like, way more than you're letting yourself right now, spend more time in that world, where you already have the things that you want, and be so curious about that? Like, really examine it. Okay, so this version of me who already has all of this? How does she take care of herself? What are her routines look like? How does she show up on social media? What is she selling? What kinds of clients is she working with? Like, just get curious, spend more time with your dreams, I don't think we give ourselves enough permission to do that. And they really get to be the leading edge of the manifestation and really be this energetic point of attraction that we get to start moving toward.

Kathryn Thompson  39:12

So beautiful. It's so true. That yeah, we just don't give ourselves enough time to actually dream and even go beyond the dream we have maybe laid out on the vision board or in our journals, right? It's like that really big, like audacious dream or vision that's far beyond what we even think is possible. Yeah. Where can people connect with you if they want to? I

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would love to connect with everyone listening. I hang out on Instagram at em makes money. And I'm on Facebook as well. So feel free to friend me there. And then I would be happy to invite everyone listening to take my free money quiz. So if you're curious about learning more about your money wounds, How to heal them. I have money wounds quiz.com. It's simple six questions, but it's so potent. And I really believe that for all of us, regardless of how much money is in the bank account, there's this opportunity to just really uplevel our relationship with money. And that was something we talked about today. So that would be my gift to you, I would be so happy to have everyone take that quiz.

Kathryn Thompson  40:27

Amazing. And we will link all of those links up in the show notes so that they can just quickly get those that quiz sounds amazing. I'm gonna go take it. It's been such a pleasure connecting with you. I can't wait for this episode to draw and like you. I can't wait to see more and more businesses, build better relationships with their money, but also with their intuition and to really start to talk more about it. So it's been a pleasure. Thank you.

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You're welcome.